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Wednesday, July 17, 2013

Huge falsehoods in the Open Letter of Fr. Elsinger

Huge falsehoods in the open letter of Fr. F. Elsinger who supports the messages of the 'WarningSecondComing' 

Father Szilveszter OFM, Hungary
The letter adressed to Dr. Mark Miravalle, professor of theology, by Fr. F. Elsinger is clearly a witness that neither its writer (who is maybe unfortunately a priest?), nor its distributors, know the Bible nor the teaching of the Catholic Church. If they knew, they probably wouldn't have written it, and they wouldn't spread this letter whose intention is to mislead sincere people.

The retorical question of Mr. Elsinger: "What kind of evil spirit would ask you to pray the most Holy Rosary daily?”

Dear Mr. Elsinger and Dear MDM followers, 
The kind of evil spirit which drives the water to the mill by itself. While it tries to build a community for itself and divide the Church in the meantime, does it matter what people do or pray? 

Mr. Elsinger: "... as well as the loyalty to the traditional teaching of the Catholic Church”

Stating such thing is extreme, shall I say absurd! Even the little children in catechism class would know what the writer and the distributors of this letter fail to acknowledge. "The traditional teaching of the Catholic Church” says that the head of the Church on earth, who was given the keys to the Kingdom of God, is the officially elected pope, who is now Pope Francis - and who is denied by the followers of MDM as the false prophet. 

Mr. Elsinger: "I’ve got another question, if I may... Jesus established his Church with Peter as his prime governor on Earth with at least two other apostles  with James and John...”

Here’s another severe blunder! Did the Lord Jesus, really establish his Church with only three apostles and not with 12 apostoles, which is also stated in the Bible?

Mr. Elsinger: "How Jesus dared act independently from the Church hierarchy and convert Saul unexpectedly according to his Will? And not only He converted him, but taught him the Gospel and ordained him as an apostle independently from Peter? How could this happen, if Jesus is always and forever forced to stay between the limits of the hierarchy of His Own Church?"

Did the Lord Jesus really act independently from hierarchy when He converted Saul and appointed him as his Apostle and ordered to preach the Gospel? 

Dear writer and MDM followers, if I only grab a half sentence from the Bible, I can prove from the Bible that there is  "no God".
 "There is no God!" – states the first verse of Psalm 14. But if I put the first half of the sentence to the right place, the whole text sounds quite different: "The fool has said in his heart: "There is not God!”

Mr. Elsinger has done the same thing too, he only talks about part of the Truth. It is true, indeed, that on the way to Damascus there isn't any actual representative of the hierarchical Church at the event that starts Saul on his way to conversion and becoming an apostle  but how could there be, when he was up to eliminate the followers of Christ and wanted to imprison them?

After what happened on the way to Damascus, Jesus himself, who appeared on the way, sent the blinded Saul to the representative of the Church in Damascus, and sent Ananias to him as well, who would give him his sight back and accept him in the official Church by baptising him.
Let’s see what the Bible says. In the Acts of the Apostles we can read:
"As he neared Damascus on his journey, suddenly a light from heaven flashed around him.  He fell to the ground and heard a voice say to him, “Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me? ”Who are you, Lord?” Saul asked.“I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting,” he replied. “Now get up and go into the city, and you will be told what you must do.” (Acts 9: 3-6)
”In Damascus there was a disciple named Ananias. The Lord called to him in a vision, “Ananias!” “Yes, Lord,” he answered.  The Lord told him, “Go to the house of Judas on Straight Street and ask for a man from Tarsus named Saul, for he is praying. In a vision he has seen a man named Ananias come and place his hands on him to restore his sight.” “Lord,” Ananias answered, “I have heard many reports about this man and all the harm he has done to your holy people in Jerusalem. And he has come here with authority from the chief priests to arrest all who call on your name.” But the Lord said to Ananias, “Go! This man is my chosen instrument to proclaim my name to the Gentiles and their kings and to the people of Israel. I will show him how much he must suffer for my name.”Then Ananias went to the house and entered it. Placing his hands on Saul, he said, “Brother Saul, the Lord—Jesus, who appeared to you on the road as you were coming here—has sent me so that you may see again and be filled with the Holy Spirit.” Immediately, something like scales fell from Saul’s eyes, and he could see again. He got up and was baptized, and after taking some food, he regained his strength.” (Acts 9: 10-19)

Later we can read:
 "When he came to Jerusalem, he tried to join the disciples, but they were all afraid of him, not believing that he really was a disciple. But Barnabas took him and brought him to the apostles. He told them how Saul on his journey had seen the Lord and that the Lord had spoken to him, and how in Damascus he had preached fearlessly in the name of Jesus.  So Saul stayed with them and moved about freely in Jerusalem, speaking boldly in the name of the Lord.” (Acts 9: 26-28)

These parts of the Scripture don’t suggest to me in any way that the Lord Jesus led Saul to the whole Truth apart from the actual Church and hierarchy and thus made him an apostle.

How did Paul apostle think and how did he approach the actual Church and its leaders? When a problem arose with the teaching, what did he do? Did he try to solve it by himself?

No, he didn't. He went to Jerusalem to the apostles and elders to receive details. Even though he probably had a good relationship with the Lord Jesus, he went for advice to the leaders of the Church established by Him and submitted to their decision.

"Certain people came down from Judea to Antioch and were teaching the believers: “Unless you are circumcised, according to the custom taught by Moses, you cannot be saved.” This brought Paul and Barnabas into sharp dispute and debate with them. So Paul and Barnabas were appointed, along with some other believers, to go up to Jerusalem to see the apostles and elders about this question. The church sent them on their way, and as they traveled through Phoenicia and Samaria, they told how the Gentiles had been converted. This news made all the believers very glad. When they came to Jerusalem, they were welcomed by the church and the apostles and elders, to whom they reported everything God had done through them. Then some of the believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees stood up and said, “The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to keep the law of Moses.” The apostles and elders met to consider this question.”(Acts 15: 1-6)

And after the debate, the hierarchical Church, under the reign of Peter, made a decision: 
Then it seemed good to the apostles and the elders, with the whole church, to choose men from among them and send them to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas. They sent Judas called Barsab'bas, and Silas, leading men among the brethren, with the following letter: "The brethren, both the apostles and the elders, to the brethren who are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cili'cia, greeting. Since we have heard that some persons from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your minds, although we gave them no instructions, it has seemed good to us, having come to one accord, to choose men and send them to you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, men who have risked their lives for the sake of our Lord Jesus Christ.  We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, who themselves will tell you the same things by word of mouth.” (Acts 15: 22-27)

St Peter and St. Paul
Mr Elsinger asks:  "How Jesus dared act independently from the Church hierarchy and convert Saul unexpectedly according to His Will? And not only He converted him, but taught him the Gospel and ordained him as an apostle independently from Peter?"

The answer of apostole Paul can be read in the letter to Galatians: 
"Then after fourteen years I went up again to Jerusalem with Barnabas, taking Titus along with me. I went up by revelation; and I laid before them (but privately before those who were of repute) the gospel which I preach among the Gentiles, lest somehow I should be running or had run in vain. But even Titus, who was with me, was not compelled to be circumcised, though he was a Greek. But because of false brethren secretly brought in, who slipped in to spy out our freedom which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage-- to them we did not yield submission even for a moment, that the truth of the gospel might be preserved for you. And from those who were reputed to be something (what they were makes no difference to me; God shows no partiality) --those, I say, who were of repute added nothing to me; but on the contrary, when they saw that I had been entrusted with the gospel to the uncircumcised, just as Peter had been entrusted with the gospel to the circumcised (for he who worked through Peter for the mission to the circumcised worked through me also for the Gentiles), and when they perceived the grace that was given to me, James and Cephas and John, who were reputed to be pillars, gave to me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship, that we should go to the Gentiles and they to the circumcised;” (Gal 2: 1-9)

Mr. Eisnger finished his letter this way: "I accept these messages literally, declaring my full loyalty to the traditional teaching of the Catholic Church, especially as Bl Pope John Paul II preached it in our days.”

As I previously mentioned, stating this is extreme, and absurd.

The traditional teaching of Blessed Pope John Paul  was published around 20 years ago in the Catechism of the Catholic Church, which these messages completely contradict. 

It is this or that. I either accept the teaching of the Church and I am the member of the Catholic Church, or I accept the messages of this 'great warning' and thus disinherit myself from the Church. The latter indicates naturally that I can’t take sacraments, I can’t go to confession and I can’t receive communion. I cannot accept both. Even the little children in religion class know what the writer and distributors of these messages fail to acknowledge. Accepting the officially elected Pope belongs to " the traditional teaching of the Catholic Church", and now Francis is the Pope - who is denied and refused by these MDM followers who think he is a false prophet. 

In conclusion, it is rewarding to read the Bible and the Cathecism and study
them seriously. Those willing to do this, will realize that MDM messages are the ”golden tabernacles” in the message of 30th of April, 2013.  If we poke them a little, we find that "not all that glitters is gold" that behind the golden colour we find wood, stone, brick or metal. Even the messages that bring you to pray more, confess, receive the Holy Eucharist, attend the Holy Mass have heresy and falsehood behind them.

Dr. Mark Miraville, a famous Mariologist and professor of theology in the Franciscan University of Steubenville said: 
It is realistic, in my opinion, during our contemporary experience of challenge and change presently being experienced in the Church and in the world, to expect even more false messages in the times to come—false messages intermixed with true content--which serve the diabolical goal to distract us from authentic Church authority and doctrine, and from Heaven’s authentic message for our age.
This can only be countered and remedied by a renewed commitment of obedience to our Holy Father, Pope Francis, and to all legitimate Church authority. Let us jointly and fervently pray for our beloved Holy Father, Pope Francis; for our holy Catholic Church; for the Triumph of Divine Mercy and the Immaculate Heart of Mary as found in authentic contemporary messages of Jesus and Mary; and for the peaceful conversion and reconciliation of the alleged seer and all her present supporters into the heart, obedience, and unity of the Church.”

1 comment:

  1. I have close family members and numerous cousins, aunts and uncles involved with this cult. They are all the most generous, sincere and devoted Catholics one can hope for. I have always admired and esteemed them as living saints. Today, I honestly question how these same people can have been hoodwinked by this Internet impostor who blasphemes Our Lord every time "she" writes a message using His most Holy Name.

    Unfortunately, these cult followers, are convinced that they know Sacred Scripture and when you dare to refute one of their private revelations with a direct quote from the Holy Bible, they promptly rebuff you. "Oh, get off it! I have heard all that before. {referring to Sacred Scripture} You are insulting my intelligence." Other insults are profanities, best not repeated but such uncharacteristic speech and tempers point to a strong demonic grip.

    One person read a Crusade prayer to me and asked what in the world was wrong with that? BTW, she didn't want to hand me her booklet as I reached for it. It said something to the effect, "JESUS, HELP ME TO SAVE SOULS," I reminded her Jesus is the one Saviour although we can intercede for souls with our prayers. Stick with the chaplet of Divine Mercy I added as she ran away in a huff. "Have mercy on us and on the whole world." Another instance where they feel they have the right to try to trap me in their web of madness yet I have no right to reciprocate with bona fide Catholic teaching.

    How can one reason with them? While I point to Sacred Scripture and the CCC they babble on that Our Lord said this, Our Lady said that. Where? When? Their primary sources are invariably private revelations, many of which have never been approved and even declared dangerous by ecclesiastic authority. They place great weight on Pope Urban's guarantee of impunity.

    In the end, it is an unequal playing field where M-DM dictates all the rules.The message is clear. They are the select few who have superior knowledge and insight, while any objector to M-DM is shooed away with all the courtesy of horses flicking their tails at annoying flies.